- May 20, 2026
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(no subject)
FROM JONATHAN SOME NOTES FROM THE 2nd STUDIO RESEARCH PERIOD, 18TH/19TH MAY 2026
Notes 18th/19th May
STANCE AND MODE CHANGE
'Funmi:
I work sometimes with what I called 'stances'. Every time I get to a new stance, or position, in relation to gravity, then I can bring in my own improvisation. I change the texture. The stance is a marker. Posture is a very important thing in every dance form. Once you shift the posture you change the dance.'
Lauren:
There's something called 'posing' in Popping, which is similar to the idea of stance. My teacher calls it 'mode change.
Katja:
It's a somatosensory anchor. You're planning contextual things to initiate your improvisation through. The content of your motor output emerges through this anchor.
Guido:
By setting a different stance you access different reflex actions. It's a way of setting some conditions, in order to tap into these less conscious possibilities.
Lauren:
I was thinking about sequencing and for me music plays a huge part in determining the sequence. Often the different stances or styles are overlapping. There are many layers to sequences. For me what stuck with me is how certain postures can trigger the adjustment of something. If I compress my chest I automatically trigger a waving movement. So the sequence is connected to the drill you've done in relation to that posture.
'Funmi:
When Lauren spoke about pathways I recognised that, and how when you reach a certain place there's a switch and you change to a different movement. The pathway you create is dependent upon particular stances which release particular vibrations. To do this transition I realise I have to set the next stance here and then the swing happens.
Guido:
Is the expressive change triggered by the thing you do, or do you start with the expression?
'Funmi:
I don't know what comes first. I shift into a stance usually triggered by something I've heard in the music, and then I go more deeply into the expression. I don't know if it's the movement or if it's the memory of where that movement comes from. There's an inward gaze, which is about you, and then there's the outward gaze. Certain stances suggest certain modes. I started to work on this movement as classroom material so it wasn't meant to mean anything except for certain physical qualities, but then I thought I liked this phrase so I started to find what expression was in it.
Guido:
You've offloaded the sequencing to the music, so you can decide on other levels of organisation. The building block there is a continuous one, and the sequence depends on what petubations you add to the buidling blocks.
Katja:
When you dance to music you also have competitive queuing of the sound, in terms of your expectation of what could happen.
Lauren:
I think you can accent certain tones within the stance itself, so different things can emerge from one stance.
PLANNING HORIZON
Katja:
I'd like to ask something around the planning horizon, with something that's well known or something that's unfamiliar.'
Katja Kornysheva
Lauren:
If learned movement is well rehearsed then it can feel like improvisation, but if I'm learning something fresh the planning is a couple of steps ahead.
'Funmi:
I find fixed choreography very difficult and I think quite far ahead. With improvisation I have to warm up because the more I dance the more I get the movement, otherwise it's just a skeleton of the movement. Your body and mind have to get to a place where they're playing with energy.
Katja:
Not every movement is controlled, they're also emergent.
SEQUENCING AND INDIVIDUAL MOVEMENTS
Kayja:
Imagine you're planning a sequence ahead of time. If you don't go ahead with it but someone asks you to show a part of it, the separate part of it is harder to access.
Bojana:
You have all the elements there but they're difficult to retrieve by themselves, because they're now part of the sequence.
Katja:
Yes.
Guido:
With the competitive queuing paradigm you learn a sequence with fingers and buttons, then when you see a red light, for instance, you're asked to perform the sequence. However, if I cue you to produce the sequence but I ask you to start with the third finger, it's harder to remember it. You have these gestural elements of the finger pushes, but when you but them into the context of a sequence the gestural element is coded with the other elements.
DISCRETE AND CONTINUOUS
Guido:
It sounds Katja like you're saying it's all discrete, seperated into discrete blocks. So what's the connection between discrete and continuous? This maps the division between choreography as discrete and dance as continous.
Katja:
The majority of the sequences we produce are internally discrete. I would challenge you to find a skilled sequence that's not recombinable...we tend to take the language as being how it looks rather than what's happening internally. It may look continuous but at the same time it's divided into discrete parts.
Guido:
What disguises as continuity when we dance is often based on other cycles, like walking.
Bojana:
The continuity for a dancer is only a matter of perception. Once we have the modular blocks, the discrete blocks of the sequence, the perception is that flow is happening.
DISRUPTING THE SEQUENCE
Katja:
How would you describe the disruption of the edges of the sequences?
Lauren:
I was giving myself concepts. When I say a pathway I mean a journey that I then isolate or break up. With a waving pathway I can change speed, shape or quality. When I think of Popping I think of a journey. Finding variation within the technique.
'Funmi:
I got to the limits of changing the dance as I knew it. There's a limit to the disruption because otherwise you're not disrupting anything anymore.
Katja:
I was interested that the change was uncomfortable but then becomes familiar. In the brain you would have these attractor states.
REPETITION
'Funmi:
We don't repeat we go deeper in. Because the dance style this movement is based on uses a lot of momentum, it feels like a loop rather than just repeating. And if you keep going you might shift the initiating impulse, and that would change the movement. So you have to be careful with that if you don't want to progress to a different movement.
RESIDUAL MEMORY
'Funmi:
When I was in the (dance company) Cholmondeleys there was a cancan sequence and my leg was always one count behind everyone else. I realised I come from African dance so I bent my knees before I kicked my leg, so in the end I had to add an extra-fast beat for the knee-bend so my leg kicked at the right time. In forms of West Coast African dance you start with your right foot, and when I did contemporary dance class and was asked to start with my left it was chaos.
TEMPLATES
Katja:
The accepted definition of synergy is a combination of muscle pattern and spatio-temporal information. The motor learning is embedded completely in sensory information. The cerebellum combines these informations from other parts of the brain and transforms them in real time. The neurons fire 200 times a second. If you don't have the sensorimotor template for the ballet arms you have to make it.
WALKING TEMPLATE
Guido:
I'm thinking more and more how all dance is walking. We have a very strong patterning for walking.
DYSTONIA
Katja:
In order to have flexibility to learn quickly and adapt in the moment the building blocks are modular. With musicians and some dance and sports you have this condition called dystonia, where you suddenly have a curling in a part of your body which prevents you from doing the art-form or sport. One perspective is that you've built up such a strong skill that it's become inflexible.
TECHNIQUE AND VOCABULARY'
Lauren:
For me Popping is the hitting which is the contraction and release that underpins it. The hitting is the technique but not the vocabulary. You work from principles.
- May 17, 2026
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additional question/ suggested reformulation from Bojana
Is there anything besides movement sequences that organizes the order in which they come? To what extent does storytelling and meanings conveyed in gestures operate through memory? are there situations and ways in which storytelling and meaningful gestures effectuate a disruption?
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From Jonathan: draft questions for the 2nd interview sessions
Draft questions for 2nd studio research:
How many things can you prepare at the same time? How many options do you have at your disposal? To what extent are you aware or not of these possible options?
If you make movement that's remembered, what freedoms remain that you can still take within that movement? At what point are you able to choose something new?
If you disrupt the flow of your movement, what is informing that disruption and how far ahead are you aware that disruption might happen?
What's the relationship between music and your own practce and to what extent does music help or hinder your freedom to choose?
What aspects of storytelling, alter and allow memory and disruption of sequence?
Within the conscious and unconscious choices occuring as you dance when and why is it no longer Popping or a West Coast African dance form?
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29.03.2026.DAY 2
29.03.2026.DAY 2
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Comfort and discomfort in the slow learning process
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repetition when not knowing - gillie speaks about the difference between not-knowing and when there is more to it
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a lot is happening while learning if you don't clamp (Krakauer)
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ballroom styles where the third thing between partners emerges and leads us
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in partnering, when the partner is versed, the partner can do the top left quadrant (and cognitively off-load the partner)
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the example of gillie -the performers were cognitively offloaded from decision- making, yet they had a lot to do
Tim Ingold - skilful practice is normally thought to be unreflective, unconscious and automatic; reflection isn't just
about evaluation
Guido : Ingold scrambles various categories in the opposition between the upper left and lower right quadrant which reflects dominant thinking in dance
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What is memorized isn't fixed; it changes with the internal and external conditions
it' s alive, at no point it is fixed (Suba)
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part of our training it's to keep alive
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Gillie -emergence - noticing something unnamed & undecided that then becomes the thing you are doing
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Gillie → offloading helps performance
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Guido . → when performing you don't want to have the self- consciousness on the left side but you want to be on the
right side (that's where you get your bodily satisfaction)
3 strategies:
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giving it to another person
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overloading on the left upper side
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eliminated the left side and attempt to move from the right bottom to the top right
Choreography-refreshing the space in between the one dancing and the one watching -that's the social Jonathan
Bojana's response: As an amateur dancer I don't distinguish between the familiar and the unfamiliar. I am happy when I sustain a flow without thinking What's next I become more aware & self-conscious when I repeat movements. It's as if I' m filling the void until the next thing reappears unawares. My criteria shifted between:
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this feels nice - I'm stretching, the pain is going away, so this movement is useful
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I recognize this exercise from the body practices I've done (this rarely happened, yet a few familiar moves cropped up)
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I'm thinking while moving, and my thoughts are unrelated to the embodiment I'm experiencing
Gillie: wish to move is stronger than the wish to stay focused;
the identification of this thing is always fleeting (which parameter or aspect? I don't how); I could tell you which parts should be doing it, but those could change and some parts would remain the same in a dance-making process, I would tweak the score if it didn't produce "this" (what works, what satisfies the hunch)
B: chiselling the tool (score) not the outcome
G: I am not using scores for the sake of openness and egalitarianism
S: what do I feel like moving today? physicalizing what my body needed. Transitions were slow nothing driving it, except the physical need. The gestures crept in without precision they usually have. then it started becoming a thing - why was i moving in and out of gestures then I started wondering about the meaning making in what was being seen in relation to precision what is "this works"
J: "imprecision" is the thing I am doing
Guido: the context of- S. Davies studio I had the memory of all the tasks; so I then focused on my tasks in relation to the gradient, the upper left -distinct, disconnected the moment I start working with the weight I was in the lower right; my strategy:
establish a rhythm; transpose but between the body parts
- opportunity to get a stretch, what is useful and not creative
Guido: music offloads' music as a cover - it's there, providing meaning regardless of what I'm doing, it gives temporal frame and rhythm
Jonathan: Deborah Hay - start from something you don't know and repeat it until it becomes something that matters
choreography as metacognition involves strategies you discover and then apply to gain different levels of awareness
Jonathan - fixed time-frame, like a score, a matter of cognitive off-loading aware of internal (closed eyes) and external doing mapping myself in the room awareness of being container
of multiple forms; they crop up with unclarity: I don'tcare much
Buszaki - discovered brain rhythm ; they never stop, rhythms change, it self-sustains
the philosophical concepts of mind, attention. perception &
action - the same brain process
The syntax in the brain is prior to bodily experience. We are born with it; however it is only due to our interaction with
world and embodied
Andy Clark developed the thesis about predictive coding; we have memory in order to anticipate Daniel Wolpert -we need the brain to move
the brain comes with a preformed dictionary of meaningless words - the behavioral significance is acquired through
exploration
I speculate that the roots of language and musical syntax
emanate from this native neural Syntax. All this about acquiring meaning is thanks to communication
social; the temporal range
250 milise-1sec - time of interaction
All learning is social interaction, because this is all that matters for survival
SUBA - If I search for the new, I am thinking: How could I make the vocabulary that I have work for me? I was trying to make the moments of discomfort but not that it looks
uncomfortable. I wasn't chunking, always going to the beginning. Now I could add and treat it like a chunk, I restarted from the point which was fresh, I just learnt it and I
would have to build simplify it from there
GILLIE & JONATHAN
the memory of one movement is linked to the memory of another; breath internal to the rhythm of daily
teaching does not only convey movements, but you convey chunks, the whole cognitive structure you do it intuitively
GESTALT - spatial; temporal working memory -3-4 elements
that's why we divide phone numbers by 3s & 4s
Sociality can increase memorization interlocking time
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- April 6, 2026
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(no subject)
FROM JONATHAN SOME NOTES FROM THE 1ST STUDIO RESEARCH DAY, 28TH MARCH 2026.
1st task - Work with movement that draws on already embodied forms, coordinations, types of movement, default pathways, habits? How do you experience or not the existence or emergence of movement/sequences with a sense of syntax (beginning, end, rhythmic and logical connection)? Sequence here and throughout is used as a descriptor of links between movements, rather than an aesthetic category of dance.
Gillie's responses:
Repetition is a response to not knowing what to do.
I definitely have units of movement or units of action which are 6 or 7 movements long.
There's an order of things I do then it becomes about sensation seeking, and this is the pattern of what I do, how I organise my dancing.
When I'm dancing I'm moving between quadrants.
When you say choreography is about a feeling of how things transition into another, it sound like something is only choreography if it's right? Some choreography is wrong.
Suba's responses:
The thing that gives me the ground from which to shift things is the rhythmic structure.
I wanted to change the speed of the movement within the rhythmic structure, to slow it down, to feel it.
Something around the physical me moving, and then the form and the movement that's in my body.
If I was only classically trained could I access this conversation? I'm curious and want to investigate whether these things do happen in Bharatanatyam, but which are languaged differently.
2nd task - Move while focussing your awareness on shifts between pre-embodied (but unaware) form, form you are aware of, experienced flow or reflex movement. How frequently do you experience a shift? What kinds of overlap occur?
Gillie's responses:
I noticed a lot of a kind of transition between something not decided and not named, and then I'd notice myself doing it and it would become the thing that I was doing.
I was struggling to escape the overlaps (between quadrants). There is a sense of needing for it to read as dancing.
Suba's responses:
So there was a lot of conscious work to undo that pre-embodied form creeping in. Something kept creeping in gesturally. However free I wanted to be
I didn't actively try to make the gesture disappear because it didn't feel odd.
My body was balancing out the creeping in of pre-embodied forms.
Then I went back to the original (Bharatanatyam) sequence and I didn't want to be there because the freedom I'd given myself made it seem wrong.
The shifts (between the quadrants) were frequent and the overlaps frequent.
Guido on quadrant:
I would place stage presence top right (procedural). Flow sits in all four quadrants.
Once something is embodied and inaccessible you only notice it because you can't do something else.
You have so many automised sequences subdivided into chunks, and you can access them.
A ritual is for the person doing it but a performance is for the audience which is outside the quadrant.
FROM JONATHAN SOME NOTES FROM THE 2ND STUDIO RESEARCH DAY, 29TH MARCH 2026.
Guido:
Where do you find comfort and where do you find discomfort?
There's a lot of learning in the background.
Krakauer uses the image of clamping, where you I
the errors artificially, but at the same time you remove the learning.
1st task - Move freely while observing how, when and why appear to to change.
Gillie responses:
Gillie
For me the interesting thing is the not knowing. There are moments when the not knowing is more.
I repeat to give me the confidence to go on.
Gillie on being led in the dance:
When I did waltzing with my friend who comes from that background, I gelt I didn't have to dance at all.
Guido:
In that moment you can be on the right side (of the quadrant) - sequencing of the left side is taken away from you.
Gillie:
There's something about copying where the performer doesn't have to be present performing.
Guido:
Stage presence is the top right quadrant (Motoric/Procedural/Continuous Explicit/Deliberate/Accessible).
Suba responses:
Suba:
The jathi is in the body, but it's alive and it always changes. Part of the training asks that you keep it alive.
Gillie:
I think a lot of this is about what gets offloaded. There's a certain kind of offloading the overwhelming. Things get moved out of the way, and then sometimes tiny things can happen. Tactics to offload different bits of the matrix.
Guido:
It's about a desire to move from the left to the right, which then feels like I'm arriving at what I'm capable of. As a dancer you don't want to be on the left side; you don't want the self-consciousness of the left side. You lose the self-consciousness not by taking it away, but by getting to the right side.
Suba:
When I dance the jathi I do want to be on the right side so that the form is there.
Guido:
A culture like ballet or Bharatanatyam is defined by being on the left, but when you actually do it you also want to trust that it's there - to rely on the mastery of it.
Gillie:
In Strictly you can see the left side of the untrained dancer working so hard.
Giving at to somebody else to offload it doesn't have to be a person, it could be a score.
2nd task: Move freely while observing the moment of recognising the emergence of 'this is what I'm doing now' - what does that transition feel like from it not yet being named to recognising it as a thing (even if you can't name it)? - 5 minutes.
Jonathan responses:
The timer itself removes the responsibility to organise the larger time and the task determines to some extent the smaller time.
An awareness of things receding as well as things emerging. The transitory nature of the moment of recognising that 'this is what I'm doing now'. Some of these moments are directly named ('circling', 'balancing'). Some of these moments contain complex coordinations or overlapped movements that are recognised only as a rhythm (which repeats until it fades into the next thing) - the repetitions contain a strong element of physical pleasure.
Throughout is a definite movement between internal doing (eyes often closed) and external doing (mapping through and into the room). Throughout is a definite series of moments that ask 'How did I get here?'.
Balance plays a large part in the physical changes, as weight shifts the direction and focus of a movement.
I wasn't aware of alternating right and left. I was very aware of multiple already embodied possibilities re-emerging.
Gillie responses:
The wish to move is stronger than the wish to stay focussed. Everything is referential to me so I start to notice things I recognise. But it's not mindless. I noticed that the recognition of 'this thing as this thing' is very fleeting, and if I stay with it I wouldn't be able to tell you what it is. I can identify it by body parts. I know it but I couldn't tell you what it is.
I can never get myself interested enough in the individual actions when I have so much else I could be interested in.
Suba responses:
I started with 'what does my body need to be doing?'. The transitions came quite slowly. What became 'the things that's happening' came quite slowly.
Then when that felt comfortable the gestures crept in, but in a very imprecise way. That made me think what was the curiosity in the lack of precision? Then I started thinking about what is being seen.
Guido's responses:
I immediately remember tasks from other people, so it's a cultural thing. Then I was thinking about strategies that I use.
In order for me to repeat something I often establish a rhythm, and then shift body parts by maintaining that rhythm.
That it becomes obvious music is a way to offload decisions. Music provides the scaffolding of rhythm,, but also the scaffolding of a meaningful context.
How do you find ways of taking information in your body, and then through repetition pay attention to them? So they move from left to upper right (of the quadrant).
3rd task - Take time to begin a process of creating and memorising a short sequence of simple arm movements - ask are you aware of elements of the sequence 'chunking'? - are you aware of the emergence of an abstract 'generalisation' of the sequence that appears as a rhythm, shape, feeling or inevitable logic?
Suba responses:
I have to go back to the beginning and then go on, then once it's 'chunked' like 'phrase one', then I can continue. There's a point in my body and my head when they've reached a place of knowing, so to build the sequence I have to get to this point and then continue. I was aware that the movements needed to be teachable, that it was explicable.
Guido:
In that process of teaching you reveal the cognitive structure that this phrase takes on for you. You also convey the 'chunks'. And that all happens completely intuitively. You break it down into those chunks.
Then what you described as one movement making the next movement easier is 'priming'. Symmetry also primes the next thing. A natural boundary
for a new chunk to start.
When you mark things with your spine only, you don't really do it with your spine, you visualise it and then don't show it.
To find the 'chunks' start with the 2nd, then 3rd, then 4th movements until you find the boundary which isn't accessible to you.
We can only hold 3 or 4 elements in the memory, which is why telephone numbers are in 3's.
- March 29, 2026
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Re: notes from the day
Thanks Bojana it's useful to read so quickly what you caught of the conversations yesterday, and I have a sense that more was articulated than perhaps we thought in the aftermath of Gillie's 'academic' comment. I caught a few other notes which I'll send this morning if I have time and otherwise later this week.
I woke this morning thinking that it's perhaps necessary this morning to risk a motivation beyond the awareness of the scientific concepts, so I propose beginning with a creative motivation given by me which clarifies the context as being 'a dance workshop'. This may then situate the research questions in a less academic place and give us a sense how that differs from the more specifically science focussed tasks.
Having said that though, I would repeat my comment of yesterday that a different tone of conversation arises from the risk to focus away from creative motivation. Does it matter then that it feels less comfortable for the dancer? I would argue that they will take away with them tools to rethink what the're doing which will have a slower impact than the two days can immediately offer, but perhaps we need to test this with follow up communication over the next month or so?
Jonathan
On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 at 23:36, Bojana Cvejic <bojanacvejic@gmail.com> wrote:In the preparation of the day, Guido asks what might be missing from Krakauer’s theory:
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Motivation – extrinsic (sports: functional, scoring) and intrinsic (artistic: aesthetic criteria)
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Metacognition – another process of awareness, similar to self-reflection, which includes observing how one get better at motor learning: more sensitive, more apt, motorically etc.
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The feeling of one performing before an audience
Jonathan: I belong to those performers who avoids self-consciousness
Bojana: why you practice folk music
Guido: There is always consciousness, but the question is about traning what you are paying attention to
Jonathan: What if everyone who dances is already creating choreography? Warning from Chrysa: dancers might not agree to this equation; those who don’t identify with being a choreographer, but an artist
Suba: on the question of music: although Indian classical dance is identified with music, music is not always the source of movement; in working with different social groups from Bharatanatyam and Kathak, for example with people with dementia, the motivation was feeling, storytelling, etc. in order to perform gesture
Jonathan: “gesture” might be another object of study that we haven’t thought of
Guido’s lecture: “What do dancers do when they dance?”
Cognitive and discrete elements: the knowledge that you can put into words
The sensorimotor – how I perceive and move;
as a knowledge it cannot be adequately verbalized, the words are not sufficient, you have to do it to learn it, acquire skill
the part of it that is accessible, that is, can be put into words: procedural knowledge
the part that isn’t accessible as such is the continuous, because you can’t easily say where it starts and ends
the cognitive and the sensorimotor are considered to be a binary
awareness isn’t binary, but a spectrum, a matter of different degrees
on the bottom left: cognitive, discrete but implicit, inaccessible > knowledge that could be put into words but isn’t readily available, we are not aware of the bias because of forgetting (e.g. a series of actions you learnt and you could verbalize it if you haven’t forgotten them)
the cognitive, declarative, discrete but implicit and inaccessible (the bottom left) is so ingrained and therefore difficult to change (e.g. we become aware of it through unsuccessful attempts to change against it) > culture as an inevitable default
for example, the bias of gender; another example, what appears in improvisation as set, part of default, while it is not perceived by the dancer as such (for example, the amalgamation of many modern dance techniques in Steve Paxton’s improvisation)
Suba: there is no improvisation in the Western sense in Bharatanatyam or Kathak, everything is codified and the dancer learns to master movements
Bojana: is it about a scale of variation that is negotiable within this classical form?
Suba: yes, on two levels: it is either individual, dependent on training with a teacher, or deliberate, a matter of interpretation (which amounts to a combinatory)
Guido: In cultural transmission, learning goes through copying the explicit, cognitive and deliberate, and the individual sensorimotor, continuous and explicit must become cognitive to be available for emulation
Bojana: what we learnt from the neuroanthropologist Gregg Downey is that the implicit, cognitive – for example, the style of behavior of the teacher in capoeira, the social practice of roda – also partakes of cultural transmission
Part of the implicit is your autobiography, something that congeals into the nebulous background
To conclude, the bottom left includes: bias, default, autobiography, contex, culture
Guido: the “dual process theory” – thinking/learning&acquiring/forgetting fast/slow applies to these four distinctions
We learn fast, forget fast and remember slow: the cognitive, declarative, discrete
Possibly, the implicit and inaccessible within the cognitive, declarative, discrete might be slower to both form and dissipate; you accumulate knowledge over lifetime
Guido: strangely enough, dance only recognizes the existence of these two in opposition:
The top left: cognitive/declarative/discrete + explicit/deliberate/accessible
Top bottom right: sensorimotor/procedural/continuous + implicit/automatic/inaccessible
Jonathan's preference for dancing without self-consciousness finds itself situated between the other two cateogies (cognitive, discrete, implicit and sensorimotor, procedural, explicit, accessible)
After the first task:
Gillie: I wasn’t warmed up, so the dancing I did amounted to an execution of warm-up “seasoning the space”. I noticed I have the habit of going to the floor and stretching hips. I am seeking sensation.
I rememebred that in the community dance froup I am conducting, we are five, we have this work of “making a portrait”; one person leaves the room and the remaining four make a portrait of her; they took a piss out of me and portrayed me with “slow dance”, something I like to do and ask of them and they dislike it
In this task, I didn’t know what to do. I became aware of repeating six-sevent units of action, something that occurs as opening syntax. Normally I am not concerned with whether this is dance or not, now I was
Suba: I worked with jathi – eight-rhythm cycle from slow to fast, and with faster tempo it gets more complex, concluding in a flourishing rhythm; there is a distinct beginning and ending to it
I observed two things:
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Structure made me feel an urge to shift, and I was wondering whether playfulness resulted from the context; or because I master it in this context I have this overwhelming urge to play with it2)
I realied that the skeletal structure of the rhythm gives me confidence to shift and change; I could even give myself paramters for shifting, and this included:-
Speed of the movement, slowing down to get the feeling of it
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Being low in the ground
Jonathan: is ther ea sense of wanting to change when tou know something well?
Gillie: the most familiar stays unremarkable
Suba: perhaps change was possible because I am so confident about this sequence
Gillie: it is possible to move from the cognitive…inaccessible to the cognitive…accessible – like in my example of the hips habit – the frame of the task enabled me to realize it
Intuition is the movement from bottom (inaccessible) up (accessible); a “delayed cognition” when something which wasn’t remarked before suddenly crystallizes
Guido: for cultural transmission (“teaching”), if you are going to start from your own movement, then this movement has to shift from the right to the left
Bojana: Forsythe has done that, because in his solo we understand that he is far beyond the improvisation technologies which he developed with and for his dancers, who have a background in ballet; but he had to make it explicit, cognitive, declarative and deliberate knowledge through geometry, drawing lines and figures and writing with the body
Forsythe counts on two types of knowledge in the implicit and inaccessible lower region: the sensorimotor reflexes of ballet-trained dancers and their ballet bias (computation of images)
His method movs from the bottom right to bottom left to top left to top right
Clockwise movement
In Ingold’s theory of educating attention, motor learning goes from the bottom right to the top right
Guido: the top right is where stage presence is situated
Bojana: virtuosity, capacity to bring good decisions in the moment because of accumulated knowledge
Gillie: the example of driving entails moving from the top left to the top right to the bottom right to the bottom left
Suba: these categories in the four quadrants might happen universally in dancing (Guido: species-specific) but are they explored in the classical form of nonWestern dance like the Indian classical dance? Perhaps in other terms and questions, they might be motivated differently, for example, in Bharatanatyam expression might be the reason
Guido: in Western dance, habit and skill have a peculiar relationship; habit is the negatively valenced skill
Bojana: how would somatic approach make its trajectory through the four categories? Counterclockwise; it starts from the sensorimotor implicit and inaccessible as the locus of truth, the real that is spontaneous that crops up in a somatic exploration; thanks to the somatic techniqe it becomes sensorimotor continuous accessible (procedural knowledge), which then can move to the cognitive concepts
Looking at the quadrants again in light of dance:
You become aware of the reflex indirectly – by resistance through error, inertia to change
Motor learning is on the right side and equals to forming habit
Suba: I am taught to be aware and control the image of every little bit of my body for the viewer, to project the slightest detail to the viewer
Bojana: difference in comparison with the dancer’s agency in Western tradition (shifting away from the visual, ocular, the image into the feeling and sensation); your agency is in the control of the image, its projection
Jonathan: do the same four categories apply to the audinece?
Response to the second task:
Suba: my instinct was to move freely and to have eliminated all parameters (such as speed, space, rhythm); this was a delibearte decision; but very quickly onwards I noticed how structuring elements from Bharatanatyam crept in, like symmetry, and I would have to consciously undo them, this was a matter of explicit and deliberate decisions.
Something else happened with gestures; while dancing freely I felt strange that I wasn’t doing everything with my fingers; gestures appeared and disappeared without me having to actively undo them.
The freedom I gave myself made it more difficult to return to the phrase and explore it more
The context was missing
Bojana: could our method be to continue to query your practice with some of these questions in the context of your practice?
Gillie: what I recognizes as reflex was to correct balance ad pain. Every time I recognized a pattern, I would amplify it. I struggled to escape the overlap between the four.
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- March 28, 2026
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notes from the day
In the preparation of the day, Guido asks what might be missing from Krakauer’s theory:
- Motivation – extrinsic (sports: functional, scoring) and intrinsic (artistic: aesthetic criteria)
- Metacognition – another process of awareness, similar to self-reflection, which includes observing how one get better at motor learning: more sensitive, more apt, motorically etc.
- The feeling of one performing before an audience
Jonathan: I belong to those performers who avoids self-consciousness
Bojana: why you practice folk music
Guido: There is always consciousness, but the question is about traning what you are paying attention to
Jonathan: What if everyone who dances is already creating choreography? Warning from Chrysa: dancers might not agree to this equation; those who don’t identify with being a choreographer, but an artist
Suba: on the question of music: although Indian classical dance is identified with music, music is not always the source of movement; in working with different social groups from Bharatanatyam and Kathak, for example with people with dementia, the motivation was feeling, storytelling, etc. in order to perform gesture
Jonathan: “gesture” might be another object of study that we haven’t thought of
Guido’s lecture: “What do dancers do when they dance?”
Cognitive and discrete elements: the knowledge that you can put into words
The sensorimotor – how I perceive and move;
as a knowledge it cannot be adequately verbalized, the words are not sufficient, you have to do it to learn it, acquire skill
the part of it that is accessible, that is, can be put into words: procedural knowledge
the part that isn’t accessible as such is the continuous, because you can’t easily say where it starts and ends
the cognitive and the sensorimotor are considered to be a binary
awareness isn’t binary, but a spectrum, a matter of different degrees
on the bottom left: cognitive, discrete but implicit, inaccessible > knowledge that could be put into words but isn’t readily available, we are not aware of the bias because of forgetting (e.g. a series of actions you learnt and you could verbalize it if you haven’t forgotten them)
the cognitive, declarative, discrete but implicit and inaccessible (the bottom left) is so ingrained and therefore difficult to change (e.g. we become aware of it through unsuccessful attempts to change against it) > culture as an inevitable default
for example, the bias of gender; another example, what appears in improvisation as set, part of default, while it is not perceived by the dancer as such (for example, the amalgamation of many modern dance techniques in Steve Paxton’s improvisation)
Suba: there is no improvisation in the Western sense in Bharatanatyam or Kathak, everything is codified and the dancer learns to master movements
Bojana: is it about a scale of variation that is negotiable within this classical form?
Suba: yes, on two levels: it is either individual, dependent on training with a teacher, or deliberate, a matter of interpretation (which amounts to a combinatory)
Guido: In cultural transmission, learning goes through copying the explicit, cognitive and deliberate, and the individual sensorimotor, continuous and explicit must become cognitive to be available for emulation
Bojana: what we learnt from the neuroanthropologist Gregg Downey is that the implicit, cognitive – for example, the style of behavior of the teacher in capoeira, the social practice of roda – also partakes of cultural transmission
Part of the implicit is your autobiography, something that congeals into the nebulous background
To conclude, the bottom left includes: bias, default, autobiography, contex, culture
Guido: the “dual process theory” – thinking/learning&acquiring/forgetting fast/slow applies to these four distinctions
We learn fast, forget fast and remember slow: the cognitive, declarative, discrete
Possibly, the implicit and inaccessible within the cognitive, declarative, discrete might be slower to both form and dissipate; you accumulate knowledge over lifetime
Guido: strangely enough, dance only recognizes the existence of these two in opposition:
The top left: cognitive/declarative/discrete + explicit/deliberate/accessible
Top bottom right: sensorimotor/procedural/continuous + implicit/automatic/inaccessible
Jonathan's preference for dancing without self-consciousness finds itself situated between the other two cateogies (cognitive, discrete, implicit and sensorimotor, procedural, explicit, accessible)
After the first task:
Gillie: I wasn’t warmed up, so the dancing I did amounted to an execution of warm-up “seasoning the space”. I noticed I have the habit of going to the floor and stretching hips. I am seeking sensation.
I rememebred that in the community dance froup I am conducting, we are five, we have this work of “making a portrait”; one person leaves the room and the remaining four make a portrait of her; they took a piss out of me and portrayed me with “slow dance”, something I like to do and ask of them and they dislike it
In this task, I didn’t know what to do. I became aware of repeating six-sevent units of action, something that occurs as opening syntax. Normally I am not concerned with whether this is dance or not, now I was
Suba: I worked with jathi – eight-rhythm cycle from slow to fast, and with faster tempo it gets more complex, concluding in a flourishing rhythm; there is a distinct beginning and ending to it
I observed two things:
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Structure made me feel an urge to shift, and I was wondering whether playfulness resulted from the context; or because I master it in this context I have this overwhelming urge to play with it2)
I realied that the skeletal structure of the rhythm gives me confidence to shift and change; I could even give myself paramters for shifting, and this included:- Speed of the movement, slowing down to get the feeling of it
- Being low in the ground
Jonathan: is ther ea sense of wanting to change when tou know something well?
Gillie: the most familiar stays unremarkable
Suba: perhaps change was possible because I am so confident about this sequence
Gillie: it is possible to move from the cognitive…inaccessible to the cognitive…accessible – like in my example of the hips habit – the frame of the task enabled me to realize it
Intuition is the movement from bottom (inaccessible) up (accessible); a “delayed cognition” when something which wasn’t remarked before suddenly crystallizes
Guido: for cultural transmission (“teaching”), if you are going to start from your own movement, then this movement has to shift from the right to the left
Bojana: Forsythe has done that, because in his solo we understand that he is far beyond the improvisation technologies which he developed with and for his dancers, who have a background in ballet; but he had to make it explicit, cognitive, declarative and deliberate knowledge through geometry, drawing lines and figures and writing with the body
Forsythe counts on two types of knowledge in the implicit and inaccessible lower region: the sensorimotor reflexes of ballet-trained dancers and their ballet bias (computation of images)
His method movs from the bottom right to bottom left to top left to top right
Clockwise movement
In Ingold’s theory of educating attention, motor learning goes from the bottom right to the top right
Guido: the top right is where stage presence is situated
Bojana: virtuosity, capacity to bring good decisions in the moment because of accumulated knowledge
Gillie: the example of driving entails moving from the top left to the top right to the bottom right to the bottom left
Suba: these categories in the four quadrants might happen universally in dancing (Guido: species-specific) but are they explored in the classical form of nonWestern dance like the Indian classical dance? Perhaps in other terms and questions, they might be motivated differently, for example, in Bharatanatyam expression might be the reason
Guido: in Western dance, habit and skill have a peculiar relationship; habit is the negatively valenced skill
Bojana: how would somatic approach make its trajectory through the four categories? Counterclockwise; it starts from the sensorimotor implicit and inaccessible as the locus of truth, the real that is spontaneous that crops up in a somatic exploration; thanks to the somatic techniqe it becomes sensorimotor continuous accessible (procedural knowledge), which then can move to the cognitive concepts
Looking at the quadrants again in light of dance:
You become aware of the reflex indirectly – by resistance through error, inertia to change
Motor learning is on the right side and equals to forming habit
Suba: I am taught to be aware and control the image of every little bit of my body for the viewer, to project the slightest detail to the viewer
Bojana: difference in comparison with the dancer’s agency in Western tradition (shifting away from the visual, ocular, the image into the feeling and sensation); your agency is in the control of the image, its projection
Jonathan: do the same four categories apply to the audinece?
Response to the second task:
Suba: my instinct was to move freely and to have eliminated all parameters (such as speed, space, rhythm); this was a delibearte decision; but very quickly onwards I noticed how structuring elements from Bharatanatyam crept in, like symmetry, and I would have to consciously undo them, this was a matter of explicit and deliberate decisions.
Something else happened with gestures; while dancing freely I felt strange that I wasn’t doing everything with my fingers; gestures appeared and disappeared without me having to actively undo them.
The freedom I gave myself made it more difficult to return to the phrase and explore it more
The context was missing
Bojana: could our method be to continue to query your practice with some of these questions in the context of your practice?
Gillie: what I recognizes as reflex was to correct balance ad pain. Every time I recognized a pattern, I would amplify it. I struggled to escape the overlap between the four.
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- March 12, 2026
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(no subject)
FROM JONATHAN: SOME NOTES ON KRAKAUER MOTOR LEARNING PAPER 12TH MARCH 2026.
Here are some key concepts that seemed relevant to the Rethinking Choreography research (Guido you can maybe unpack these for us a bit, or point us towards other concepts I may have missed?):
Explicit or implicit learning (neuroscientists differ in opinion over whether motor learning of sequences is primarily implicit or explicit (cognitive); explicit contributions occur more in early learning and in more complex sequences; implicit learning that arises may simply be the automatization of an explicitly learned element order; practice leads to a reduction in the cognitive load associated with the task)
Faster and slower learning (slower learning lasts longer)
Improvements in performance (can also occur between practice sessions)
Higher level representation of sequence (abstract representation of sequence order forms as sequence is learned)
Continuous sequential actions (continuous single movements are comprised of sequential sub-elements)
Chunk structures (limit of number of individual movements that can be grouped into a single set; chunking begins with learning transitions between 2 movements; once learned the initial movement triggers the entire chunk; wrongly learned chunks that interrupt a run of optimum transitions remain despite long practice of improved version; chunking is currently understood as cognitive rather than motor learning)
Adaption (adaption as quicker then motor learning, but more transient)
Savings (adapting faster when meeting the same pertubation)
Sensory prediction (can alter future reactions if the expected consequence is different than expected)
Motor variability (even in a situation of perfect execution, this variability anticipates future error)
Retrograde interference (the learning of B interferes with the memory of previously adapting to A)
Interaction between two actions (second action updated to account for anticipated or observed spatial errors in the first action)
Generalization (examines the ability to transfer learned performance improvements to other effectors e.g., the other hand, or to novel but similar sequences: 'The finding that sequences can generalize provides evidence that representations of entire sequences are not movement-specific. This is not surprising given the evidence reviewed in the previous section indicating that the constituent chunks comprising a sequence are already likely to be representations of order rather than continuous motor actions.'
And here a a few questions that emerge for me in relation to this paper:
The motor learning experiments described here are mostly based on functional sports or craft-like movements (reaching etc.). What, if any, difference might occur in the context of movement that carries a sense of pleasure in pattern, rhythm or expressive meaning? Aesthetic aspects are seen here as connected to cognition rather than motor learning. What might this distinction mean in relation to the performance of sequenced movement in dance?
Do the arguments for or against explicit or implicit motor learning, impact our reflections on memorised or improvised approaches to dance sequences?
What's the difference for the dancer between motor adaptability and aesthetic adaptability and how might they be entangled when we dance?
Does the arrival at an abstract representation of order in the process of 'generalisation', suggest some connection to the 'feeling' of choreography as separate from movement?
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FROM JONATHAN: SOME NOTES FROM THE CONVERSATION WITH ADRIÁN YORIS 4TH FEBRUARY 2026.
Guido
We thought you'd be a good person to talk to for two reasons: dancers draw from somatic practice so are concerned with interoceptive experience, so I'd be interested to hear from a neuroscientific perspective as to what if anything you can feel; and that for me in the absence of an external musical rhythm that guides movement, dancers draw from internal rhythms.
Adrián
I can't help thinking about many things while Jonathan was introducing the topic. First of all the body has a choreography and everybody within movement has a specific choreography, we don't only have to think about dance.
A definition of the interoceptive: how the brain and body are connected and how that information is taken from the body. It makes me think of some studies in trauma for instance, where dance is used as a therapy to introduce changes at the level of memory. There's a connection between this research and how emotions are processed. How we are more accurate at detecting these signals in motion and use them in therapies.
One of the problems is how we measure interoceptive information. It has at least three sources of information: the heart, respiration and stomach. All of them come with methodological issues.
Bojana
I like when you make the link with emotions. This idea that everybody has a choreography also makes sense and it makes me think of social choreography. When I read your paper I wondered about whether hormones play a role? Dance is interested in pleasure hormones, and I wonder if dancers are imagining these affects?
Adrián
I should research on that to provide a proper answer, but stress hormones seem to affect interoceptive experience. However, they do this secretly, at a very slow pace. The stress hormones are particularly difficult to catch.
But you are not looking for a design at this point, it's a philosophical questioning at the moment.
Bojana
I like reading this in your paper that there is no robust evidence, which is bad news for the somaticians, but where are they getting the feelings from?
Adrián
The heart and respiration are connected by the autonomic system.
What happens when the signals are de-synchronised. This is interesting in terms of what a dancer feels in a repeating movement and so forth.
Guido
Normally you don't want to feel your interoceptive feelings, because you usually only do that when something is wrong.
Adrián
I've never found publications related to other organs than skin, heart, lungs, stomach.
However, my yoga practice that I do every week also asks that you tune into organs.
Bojana
The aesthetic expressions in somatic work are self-similar, to do with slowness and interior focus. It's eroded a sense of social liveness. It's become focussed on individuality. The interest in the motor paradigm is that it frees us from this introspection.
Adrián
Are you making a distinction between the anxiety of skilled dancing and the pleasure of 'just dancing'.
Guido
One interesting question for me is when the dancer intensively practices this somatic work over years, what are they becoming an expert in? Do they get better at perceiving their bodies, or do they get better at something else, for instance dual targeting their attention between themself and the outside world.
Adrián
I can share an image from cyclists: trained cyclists show the ability to be able to regulate exertion. During high demand those who have better experience in terms of regulating breathing have a better performance. This was related to the brain activity.
Jonathan
I think this does relate to dancers because dancers have used somatic practice to avoid injury by developing more efficient bodily use, which requires interoceptive sensitivity.
Adrián
I'm thinking also about pain. There's a gate theory of pain that says when the heart ejects blood to the blood stream there's a gate wherein nothing is felt even pain, but when blood pressure goes down is when most interoceptive information including pain is experienced. Also emotions showing in the face are related to this cycle.
Jonathan
Dancer talk about having a high pain threshold, so they're practicing to become more aware of interoceptive experience and at the same time blocking pain.
Bojana
I'd be interested in a dialogue between interoceptive understandings form dance and neuroscience.
Guido
I feel that aside from interoception as an experience, I'd like to understand these signals of breathing and heart as a source of felt choreography that provides a rhythm.
Jonathan
And the connection between interoception and sequencing.
Guido
The question is not whether somatic work changes something, it's whether it changes what was intended.
I feel like it might be good to talk to someone in meta-cognition (cognition about cognition as a mechanistic explanation to consciousness). For instance that what changes is not cognition, but how we deal with cognition.
Spinoza is still the groundwork for interoceptive research.
- February 16, 2026
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Lauren Scott
FROM HIP HOP ARTIST LAUREN SCOTT: AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION ABOUT IMPROVISED OR LEARNED SEQUENCES 16TH FEBRUARY 2026.
Lauren
I also think there’s a lot to be gained from exploring how a freestyler’s brain handles set choreography compared to stimulus-led improvisation. To me, the internal 'feel' and processing of these two tasks is drastically different. It would be worth looking into whether this subjective difference correlates with the activation of distinct neural pathways or levels of cognitive load.